The scene was Randi Weingarten, head of the AFT (teachers union), with Joe Scarborough, host of Morning Joe, journalist Carl Bernstein, and Willie Geist, host of Way Too Early.
You could sense the restraint used by everyone at the table but that couldn't hold back the sparks and impassioned quips that made their way to the camera.
It mainly seemed as if there were two different conversations going on at the same time, where the answers to questions never seemed to quite correspond. Here are a few money quotes (taken out of order). Still, quite the disconnect. Or, cut to the chase and watch for yourself - video below:
Scarborough: "Unions killed a bill that would have given NY kids (schools) $700 million".Watch for yourself in this 12 min.video Below (first 10 are the main event).
Scarborough: "Teacher unions have put job security ahead of students well-being."
Weingarten: "We need to help all of us take more responsibility to help make sure all our kids get a decent education."
Weingarten: "Teachers want to help kids succeed".
Bernstein: "You've fought it all these years".
Scarborough: Harlem Village Academies are at at 8th 100% proficiency level in Math after entering school a few grades behind.
Weingarten: One charter school run by the union: "95% did great in 5th Grade Social Studies".
Click here for the story about Harlem Village Academies, as reported by The Daily Riff last week.